DarkRP Suggestions

Discussion in 'Ideas & Requests' started by Bedehusgutt92, Mar 6, 2016.

  1. Bedehusgutt92

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    I've been enjoying your server quite a bit, and would like to contribute with some suggestions and participate in discussions regarding the RP and whatever. It's very rare to see a server where you'd see a communist mayor and ISIS, followed by some sort of criminal coup, and earlier today perhaps the shortest reign(s) of any mayor. As a disclaimer I can say that some of the suggestions came from Mikke Muslim, Bøgs Bunny and the noot machine. And I'm sorry, my additional comments are a bit too long.

    Jobs:

    - Adding a radio host job.
    A very simple job. A person stands in front of a microphone and speaks, people are then able to buy radios and as long as they stay close to the radio they can hear the person speaking. I've seen success with this on servers where the radio host has been singing acoustic black metal songs - also spoken as poems. The main issue with this is the volume control, I have no idea how it works. Or how to implement it.

    - Some sort of DJ.
    On a previous server this was a Hobo DJ. He could set up a stand and play music through his mic. This is obviously something that needs restricions like "Hell no, you can't be sitting right outside the PD or someones house" and "We've heard the ISIS-song for four hours now, stop it.". It might look a bit like what the noot machine did, but much more micspammy.

    - Redoing gangs.
    Instead of having one gang, there could be two rival gangs(or more, but that's dumb unless the server has 60 people on it). Not to act as an excuse for massive RDM, but it would make the people in the individual gangs cooperate a bit more, and perhaps target the other gang for raids. No guts no glory and so on. I've seen success with this many places, it will also give the police more work to do. As investigations on both gangs(if caught in a shoot out) would be logical according to RP. Problems related to this is the fact that people might just /advert "gang war, nigs" and shoot everyone in sight. But that's what admins are for, right?

    - Upping the level requirements on police
    Holy shit I'm tired of being cable tied and knocked over by police claiming it's for "practice" or "an accident". Seening Secret Service people running around on the opposite side of where the mayor is. The nadespam got old the first day someone threw a grenade. So I think SWAT and spec ops and Secret Service and so on should be restricted to people who know what to do with the roles. When there is 12 people on, there isn't need for a single SWAT officer, but then suddenly there's five. People being armed to the teeth also makes people just shoot someone for throwing a shoe, rather than even trying to arrest them - you know, police work. I don't know what the caps should be, but higher. Some might think "But then no one can be cop :///", not true, as people still can be a police officer.

    Misc:

    - Perhaps take another look on props you should blacklist. Like everything from TF2 and a lot of ragdolls.

    - Allow RT Camera/Why isn't that allowed?
    The advatage with this over the regular camera is how you can mount the picture from the camera onto props, making it act like an actual surveillance camera. Or just limit it to a journalist/camera man job.

    - Put the dictatorship-slider on the admins up from 1/10 to 4/10.
    People are seen prop surfing, prop climbing, micspamming and FailRPing all over the place, and sometimes it might seem they don't even get told not to do so at times. It's great people don't get permabanned for an actual honest mistake, but when obvious trolls get to free roam it's a bit silly. A RP server without the RP-part isn't going to last very long.

    - Just whatever encourages people to RP more
    I don't have many ideas on how to do this, but it's really needed as the situation is at times. When everyone is just standing around the PD as police and just look for a reason to kill someone it's not good. It's also the same for gangsters, citizens and such. Bartenders tend to do an underappreciated job to make the town actually seem alive. People buying houses/appartments also makes RP better.

    Added edits:

    - A way to not lose your props, doors and entites the second your game crashes or something along those lines. I understand why things can't stay forever, but is it possible to add some sort of 5 minute cooldown?

    - No fucking way should the grenades unfreeze props/black marked dealer be allowed to buy them

    - People shouldn't be able to buy guns from the F4 menu. As this makes for easy RDM and less traffic for the gun dealers.

    There were probably some other things I should have mentioned as well but have forgotten. Perhaps I'll edit the OP later(if possible).
     
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  2. 1Day2Die

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    Thank you and your friends for this long list of really great suggestions.

    Some things will definitely be changed in the way you suggested it. I will respond with further info tlmorrow. On my phone atm
     
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    You know what, I think I agree with every point you made there.
     
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  4. WingEater

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    Thank you for your suggestions. They radiate a feeling of being well thought through and are properly argued for. I'll add some of my mental notes on them below. If you can, could you add a summarised bulletin style version of this to the general improvements list?


    Jobs:

    - Adding a radio host job.
    A very simple job. A person stands in front of a microphone and speaks, people are then able to buy radios and as long as they stay close to the radio they can hear the person speaking. I've seen success with this on servers where the radio host has been singing acoustic black metal songs - also spoken as poems. The main issue with this is the volume control, I have no idea how it works. Or how to implement it.

    A radio host job means that there will often be a music stream going on. This could lead to some major performance issues and in general a further complication of the server. It's not the idea itself I dislike, but what I perceive to be its inevitable consequences.

    - Some sort of DJ.
    On a previous server this was a Hobo DJ. He could set up a stand and play music through his mic. This is obviously something that needs restricions like "Hell no, you can't be sitting right outside the PD or someones house" and "We've heard the ISIS-song for four hours now, stop it.". It might look a bit like what the noot machine did, but much more micspammy.

    I have similar concerns for the DJ as for the Radio host job. Why would you need both a DJ and radio host?


    - Redoing gangs.
    Instead of having one gang, there could be two rival gangs(or more, but that's dumb unless the server has 60 people on it). Not to act as an excuse for massive RDM, but it would make the people in the individual gangs cooperate a bit more, and perhaps target the other gang for raids. No guts no glory and so on. I've seen success with this many places, it will also give the police more work to do. As investigations on both gangs(if caught in a shoot out) would be logical according to RP. Problems related to this is the fact that people might just /advert "gang war, nigs" and shoot everyone in sight. But that's what admins are for, right?

    Not a bad idea at all and something that did work great at times in the past. However, this can only work if both gangs are played well. Like @slimysnakeuk his Casino maffia operating a casino and dealing drugs from in there. That was a great roleplaying effort and one we could indeed see another addition to in the form of a rival gang. What I am concerned about is the large part of the Gmod community seeing yet another gang as yet another military force that can raid and control territory (not even implying RDM here ;) ).

    - Upping the level requirements on police
    Holy shit I'm tired of being cable tied and knocked over by police claiming it's for "practice" or "an accident". Seening Secret Service people running around on the opposite side of where the mayor is. The nadespam got old the first day someone threw a grenade. So I think SWAT and spec ops and Secret Service and so on should be restricted to people who know what to do with the roles. When there is 12 people on, there isn't need for a single SWAT officer, but then suddenly there's five. People being armed to the teeth also makes people just shoot someone for throwing a shoe, rather than even trying to arrest them - you know, police work. I don't know what the caps should be, but higher. Some might think "But then no one can be cop :///", not true, as people still can be a police officer.

    The problem you mention is something I see on a lot of RP servers and this one is not excluded from. I do think that this is more a case of staff stepping in and dealing our jobbans when people refuse to listen to request of switching back to police. SWAT should and must only be used in cases of the police being temporarily heavily outgunned or going on a raid.


    Misc:

    - Perhaps take another look on props you should blacklist. Like everything from TF2 and a lot of ragdolls.

    The blacklist got shit upon this weekend. Like the tool permissions, it got pretty much reset and was reinstated later. Completely at random of course. We're talking Gmod here.

    - Allow RT Camera/Why isn't that allowed?
    The advatage with this over the regular camera is how you can mount the picture from the camera onto props, making it act like an actual surveillance camera. Or just limit it to a journalist/camera man job.

    For Whom? Members, sure.

    - Put the dictatorship-slider on the admins up from 1/10 to 4/10.
    People are seen prop surfing, prop climbing, micspamming and FailRPing all over the place, and sometimes it might seem they don't even get told not to do so at times. It's great people don't get permabanned for an actual honest mistake, but when obvious trolls get to free roam it's a bit silly. A RP server without the RP-part isn't going to last very long.

    That is a very fair complaint or suggestion and I feel responsible for this. The server is fresh and therefore we allowed a bit more room for all kinds of horseshit. Later on in the weekend I believe this was corrected fairly well, but you're still right on this and I am sorry that this made your experience less enjoyable. This is of course directed at all those that feel this way.

    - Just whatever encourages people to RP more
    I don't have many ideas on how to do this, but it's really needed as the situation is at times. When everyone is just standing around the PD as police and just look for a reason to kill someone it's not good. It's also the same for gangsters, citizens and such. Bartenders tend to do an underappreciated job to make the town actually seem alive. People buying houses/appartments also makes RP better.

    Good players make for a good RP experience. As a lot of people joining now are new, they are not always good at Roleplaying. I would say the majority isn't. By helping those that do try and encouraging good roleplay with good roleplay, I think we can get a long way towards a good server.

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    - A way to not lose your props, doors and entites the second your game crashes or something along those lines. I understand why things can't stay forever, but is it possible to add some sort of 5 minute cooldown?

    There was a script for this in place. However it failed a couple of times. I lost my base multiple times as well. >:C

    - No fucking way should the grenades unfreeze props/black marked dealer be allowed to buy them

    Fuck off with nades. I hate nades. People who use nades got banned. :)
    What I am trying to say is: Yes, I agree.


    - People shouldn't be able to buy guns from the F4 menu. As this makes for easy RDM and less traffic for the gun dealers.

    This ^ This^ Just this^. This encourages for a functioning gun dealer to be present and forces people to interact more.

    There were probably some other things I should have mentioned as well but have forgotten. Perhaps I'll edit the OP later(if possible).
     
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  5. Bedehusgutt92

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    I could perhaps I could find the general improvements list :oops:

    To comment on your comments:

    -Radio host:
    The point of that job isn't to be allowed to micspam Sonic 24/7 and have friends run around with radios. That's awful RP. But more actually trying to be witty just by using voice chat. To keep it from being abused, the radio DJ job was behind a donator wall on the server I used to play. As for technical uses I have no clue.

    - The Random DJ:
    The difference between the jobs is that the DJ is more of a street musician for local chat, not actual radio. This one still isn't allowed to spam Sonic 24/7, and he can't set up close to anyones bases, spawn or PD. This is stopped by active staff, as all other cases of micspam and FailRP should. And no, you probably won't need both.

    - Redoing gangs
    My suggestions are mostly based on people playing all roles well, or at least being told how to play things well. If people use another gang as a military force/excuse to RDM, they need to get banned, as with all other breaking of rules - in theory at least.

    - Upping police requirements
    Sadly staff doesn't really step in, and when there is no staff on I've been attacked by people going SWAT Gunner to spam grenades and bullets. SWAT isn't needed at all when there isn't a lot of raids(attacking or defensive) happening. And as the server is now, I wouldn't shed a single tear if the SWAT-job was completly removed. DarkRP isn't MilitaryRP anyway. Police should also be allowed to arm up via the gun dealer at a mayors order in time of need.

    - Upping staff dictatorship
    Between the time of this post and the OP, I'd like to see even more active staff. I often speak of the firsts day at this server, that experience combined with time invested, is the reason I come back. But this really starts to look like when a person returns to an abusive relationship and is still surprised when someone nades your base led by the mayor. I know the server is new, and perhaps everyone in the staff is new to RP as well, I don't know. But the rules are rules, and everyone is supposed to have read them. Might just make a rant thread about this at a later time.
     
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  6. 1Day2Die

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    I will add a function to allow SWATS only when there is a lockdown. Lockdowns will be abllowed to be called oout by the police Chief aswell.
    This will enocurage players to use the abilitys the mayor has and make them work closer together.
     
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    Multiple gangs are needed heavily, the person with gang leader job reduces everyone else to dust. Thieves are a pathetic excuse for a crime job that if they see the owner of a house while robbing it have to run away with their tails between their legs like a dog that shit on the carpet. They have to wait until they get shot at to return fire which generally, your going to die. Nobody plays BMD, the pay is bad, and people would much rather just circumvent the rules than buy lockpicks, keypad crackers or anything else. This could be improved by giving BMDs special upgrades to sell, such as greater upgrades for the printers, heavier weapons and body armour. Make them the raiding shop.
     
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  8. WingEater

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    Hello again @Bedehusgutt92! I wanted to sit down and properly reply for to your reply, so it took me a little longer than last time. :)

    Radio Host and DJ:
    I wasn't talking about micspam, but rather about loading a constant or almost constant audio stream. This has been known to cause major performance issues for most and extreme issues for some. Remember: Not everyone has a carrot to run Gmod on, some use a potato. I personally also don't see the added benefit of having a radio host or DJ within the RP world. How do you see this adding to the world?

    Redoing gangs
    Not everyone will wish to play wholefully serious good RP all the time. This could lead to a large part of the community being banned from either the server or the job. I think it would be better to see if the gangs actually draw some more players that know how to play them and only then add more opportunity's to play a gang member.

    Upping the police requirements
    Just a fabulous suggestion. Bad cops kill the game. It's as simple as that. We can absolutely make use of the levelling system this way. The thing about SWAT is something I also agree on, but I know a lot of other don't. This might seem the most logical case in the world to you; not having an over militarized police force, but others get great satisfaction from it. Limiting this too much and pushing people too much into a specific playstyle or frame of mind could lead to a lot of people leaving us. This also ties back to my response on @slimysnakeuk his suggestion about the rules.

    Upping dictatorship
    I dislike nade spam and have fortunately not caught too many people doing it. This doesn't mean that it isn't there though. I do not wish to invalidate your claim, for it is most certainly valid. This once again ties back to my response at @slimysnakeuk his topic: Nades that unfreeze are probably not a great idea. Furthermore, about the strictness. I've noticed first hand that investing time in players to correct and teach them helps create a great atmosphere. A lot of people simply do not know fully how to 'properly' (frame of mind argument) Roleplay or how to have great fun in it. Being constructive and helping players by teaching instead of destroying and banning can lead to the creation of a great playerbase. The obvious and often professional minges are of course the exception. So please name names, so we can kick asses. We're a bit understaffed at the moment, so we try, but will not always be able to take care of all minges.

    I am really enjoying these discussions about DarkRP by the way. :) They give me the feeling that people care about the server, which is great.
     
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    im sorry that have not done any work on the server during the week. I will however do as much as i can the whole sunday long. Once you all came to make your decisions :p
     
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